Alan Watts

[mdwoods]

HLT is right, I don't see anything in what Alan Watts stated to be falsehoods.

[cullenbryant]

Of course not, even though I gave you one falsity within a minute of him talking.

[mdwoods]

Of course not, even though I gave you one falsity within a minute of him talking.

I don't agree with what you called false.

[mdwoods]

A lot of Watts statements are false as are many of his presumptions. Probably why he speaks in monologue.

Give three specific examples.

Within the first minute he states that we got the bible thanks to the catholic church. He states that members of the catholic church wrote the books of the new testament. Jesus and his apostles who wrote much of the new testament were non secular. The word catholic appears nowhere in the entire text of the new or old testament. The people who wrote the bible did not recognize themselves as catholic, but as Hebrews who had converted to Christ.

The word doesn't occur because there was only one christian church at that time. Not surprising. Your argument doesn't pan out, perhaps he should have said we got the bible from what would be later called the catholic church but I think you're just nitpicking here

[ArtificialStupidity]

Religion is fine until it metastases into regulation and control of the general public.

Dallas in 1963, Aunt took me into a Target store on Sunday. It was eerie as the grocery area was well lit, but the large general merchandise aisles were dark. Explained the blue laws in the county. Can't by a pair of trousers or a hacksaw or a camera on the Sabbath. But what if your sabbath is on Saturday? Didn't matter, I guess.

Much of that crap dissolved since then. Then SCOTUS Knocked us back a half century. Ohh it was the correct legal decision. OK, even though Robert's tossed the Constitution when the ACA was on the docket.

Result will be 4 more years of the weakest president in the history of the republic. God's will, I suppose.

[mdwoods]

Like most organizations, religions start with hope but end up being only concerned with their own continuation and making money.

[Rollo Tomassi]

Whatever the conclusions may be, if anyone wants to avail themself of my services, I can make you to like down in a green pasture.

[HappyLittleTrees]

Of course not, even though I gave you one falsity within a minute of him talking.

And I cut you down in one sentence. You just still can't grok it.

[cullenbryant]

it is a false to state that the catholics wrote the new testament. L

[mdwoods]

it is a false to state that the catholics wrote the new testament. L

No, it isn't they became the catholic church, you're arguing over a very small misstatement. "The Roman Catholic Church believes that Jesus Christ founded the church around 30 A.D." found on the google.

[MacGyver]

Nowadays, religion is relegated to being a marxist. I’d rather have the “good old days” when the chosen religion was believing in a “sky god”, not being a terrorist…and not believing cutting down trees for paper grocery bags is any better than using recycled plastic for grocery bags to hold all our plastic packaged foods.

Religion is not the problem…

[mdwoods]

Nowadays, religion is relegated to being a marxist. I’d rather have the “good old days” when the chosen religion was believing in a “sky god”, not being a terrorist…and not believing cutting down trees for paper grocery bags is any better than using recycled plastic for grocery bags to hold all our plastic packaged foods.

Religion is not the problem…

It's for sure not the only problem but it's still a huge problem and continues to hold back science.

[clw54]

People here will argue about anything.

[mdwoods]

People here will argue about anything.

No we won't.

[cullenbryant]

it is a false to state that the catholics wrote the new testament. L

No, it isn't they became the catholic church, you're arguing over a very small misstatement. "The Roman Catholic Church believes that Jesus Christ founded the church around 30 A.D." found on the google.

What do you mean by "they became the catholic church". You could as easily make the same claim that they later became any denomination. But the truth is that they were simply of the body of Christ. The church of christ. all before catholicism came along. denominationalism was preached against in the NT actually.

[mdwoods]

it is a false to state that the catholics wrote the new testament. L

No, it isn't they became the catholic church, you're arguing over a very small misstatement. "The Roman Catholic Church believes that Jesus Christ founded the church around 30 A.D." found on the google.

What do you mean by "they became the catholic church". You could as easily make the same claim that they later became any denomination. But the truth is that they were simply of the body of Christ. The church of christ. all before catholicism came along. denominationalism was preached against in the NT actually.

I mean, they became the catholic church which was the only church in the beginning from what I can find. The body of Christ? Who called them that? Denominations may have been preached against but they exist. So which sect is the right sect of christianity?

[cullenbryant]

according to the scriptures there should only be the body of christ. that is what the church is. it is also termed the body of believers. it is an organism, not an organization or a sect. the believers make up christs body. you are in that body if you never set foot into a building called a church, only on faith in the testimony of jesus and the apostles. i wish i could comprehend more about what that really means, but there are several nt scriptures describing it.

yes the early catholic church (indeed it didn't take long to begin sects) assisted greatly in the canonization of the scriptures. there were many writings of the time, many false christs and turmoil in the first century that had to be sifted through for validity. some of these non cannonical scriptures still come out of caves around qumron

[mdwoods]

yes the early catholic church (indeed it didn't take long to begin sects) assisted greatly in the canonization of the scriptures. there were many writings of the time, many false christs and turmoil in the first century that had to be sifted through for validity. some of these non cannonical scriptures still come out of caves around qumron

This was all done by men with an agenda. I wouldn't put much faith in that. You have a right to believe what you want just know that you are wrong.

[cullenbryant]

They did a fine job and the book we know as the bible has a complexity unmatched and stands alone this many thousands of years later. Man couldn't devise a book spanning that many years like that, with those interesting and wise stories. I wish people could see it for what it is, maybe you will sit down with it sometime.

Why is God such a difficult concept? think about the ant. We share the space with him, he has no idea we are there. Why couldn't we have a greater than us situation similar to the observable ant's?

[mdwoods]

They did a fine job and the book we know as the bible has a complexity unmatched and stands alone this many thousands of years later. Man couldn't devise a book spanning that many years like that, with those interesting and wise stories. I wish people could see it for what it is, maybe you will sit down with it sometime.

Why is God such a difficult concept? think about the ant. We share the space with him, he has no idea we are there. Why couldn't we have a greater than us situation similar to the observable ant's?

I think the bible was written by men who didn't understand the universe as well as we do today, trying to explain how and why. The concept of a creator is not difficult for me to imagine but the god of the bible is not exactly the type of being I'd worship. And why would some being so superior to us want us to worship him. There are just too many things that don't make sense for me to be able to believe it. I'll agree that we are pretty limited in our understanding or maybe even in our ability to understand but that's still not a good reason for me to believe in any of the man made gods. There are many writing that predate the new testament. I don't believe them either.